who will survive armageddon?.
look, you stupid publishers, stop saying that we dont know and only jehovah can judge.. your organisation is quite clear on this, everyone not a jehovahs witness will die at armageddon.
if you don't say it too, you're an apostate.. watchtower may 1st, 2002:.
Your Organisation is quite clear on this, everyone not a Jehovah’s Witness will die at Armageddon.
WRONG.
Everyone not an active Jehovah’s Witness will die at Armageddon. Better yet, everyone not an active and spiritual Jehovah’s Witness will die at Armageddon.
23. if jesus is the first and the last, why did god say in isaiah 44:6 that he was the first and the last?
matthew 1:20 says that the holy ghost was the father, while romans 15:6, ii corinthians 11:31, and ephesians 1:3 say that god was the father.
51. does the bible say that jesus was god with us?
And here we go again [8>]
I am not trinitarian
Of course not. Your disease is different, namely Modalist heresy.
That fundamentalist protestant nonsense is causing irreparable damage to your brain. Come back quickly to the Holy Catholic Church or soon it will be too late.
is the model we have of evolution water tight?.
i have no problem with evolutionary theory ,it describes how we see nature working today , and assumes this carries back down into the distant past , without much interference, but a few things niggle me.. lets take for example the evolution of speech.. it has been said that evolution of speech must have taken a very long time and was very gradual.. a little advance at a time.
first a grunt ,then a cry until we have the oxford dictionary on english words.. so obviously by the time people could talk fluidly like today, they were very different to non-talking creatures to such an extent they we didnt know we they came from them.. but how do we know this ,as speech can leave no evidence?.
Sleepy,
I don't see what your point is in asking questions like these on a JW-related forum. Not that it's off-topic, because many posts are, but I'm not sure what kind of enlightment you expect from us on such specific problems. There many other resources on the Web that will answer your questions, if you're really interested in the topic and not just trying to test us.
i must confess that her ladyship and i lived together for 6 months before we got married, so that must be, er...say 200?.
then we used to spend 3 nights a week gambling in tiberiuss casino, even after we got married, so.....umm, say another 250?.
i must have eaten black pudding, say, 100 times?.
( Translation requested:
must have eaten black pudding, say, 100 times?
What is black pudding? )
I have committed so many and so varied disfellowshipping offences that I lost count long ago. Just to mention a few, when I went to Rome I visited Saint Sebastian's tomb and lit a candle for him (he's the saint of the gays); after that I bought a crucifix in the church where Paul is buried, and I wear it every day. Also, a year ago, I went to Resurrection Mass for Easter and swallowed the hostia.
Actually, I don't even realize anymore when I'm committing a disfellowshipping offence. I guess it's a sign of successful deprograming. For example, I bougth a 7 cm wide dildo some days ago. Is that a disfellowshipping offence or not?
i posted this 28 minutes after someone beat me to it.
i missed stevie1's post because when i looked it was in the "belief's and doctrine" section.
sorry for the goof.
if they move the Great Crowd anymore, they will be back to Russell's teaching that the two 'classes' live in heaven
They will never do that, for two reasons: first, most of the success of the WT religion, IMO, is due to their promising everlasting life on Earth, a niche that is not exploited by any other christian sect; second, a clear distinction between the two classes has to be maintained, because the GB needs to back up its claims of authority and they cannot resort to apostolic succession like the Pope.
I agree with Wild Turkey; I think the whole issue is a smoke screen. The real issue being that they need to validate the "new annointed" some way or another, because very shortly the GB will be almost entirely composed of people born after 1935. And they would have to admit that Jeho-bah has been doing a lousy job selecting the annointed, if the number is not yet "sealed" because continuous replacements had been needed for about 70 years. The easiest way out of this is to say that both classes of Christians had been selected "in parallel" during these two millenia, not one after the other as they now believe, and that the 144000 are not yet selected, and for that reason "the end" has not come.
What they do with articles like this is to draw attention to the text in a non-traumatic way, little by little, giving the impression that "the light is getting brighter". Whithin a year hence, the real doctrinal change will come.
Remember that they used the same strategy in 1994/1995 with the "this generation" issue.
i was chatting with my 14 year old son today and he happened to mention that his teacher had recommended he talk with a counsellor.
this was news to me, sounds like an educational psychologist and i was quite disturbed that they had instigated this without contacting us as parents.. however, my son tells me that the counsellor said to him that she has a number of jw children on her books (but didnt give any details issues of confidentiality i guess), and that she was used to handling the sort of problems that jw children have!
apparently my son told her how trapped he felt by the religion, with no possibility of escape until he was older, she said that she was hearing this from other jw children too.. does this mean that my local education authority has identified jw children as possibly needing psychological support?
I do intend to follow this up, but carefully; I don't want to spoil the trust I have with my son.
I think that's the best strategy. I too grew up in a "divided home"; my mother has never been a JW (wise woman), but never confronted my father openly. As a result, my brother and I have a much better relationship with her than with my JW father, although my brother is still a dub.
Sooner or later, your patience will pay off.
here's a quote from purlanguage.net regarding a recent special assembly day:.
our speaker from bethel told us that something big is coming from the apostates in the next few weeks, something is afoot.
also to prepare for outright persecution in the united states, as well as elsewhere.
when I post websites about the JWs, who come into their neighborhoods and knock on their doors, wanting to gain ENTRANCE to start "home bible studies" who merely RELOCATE known and admitted molesters to a new area to "knock on more doors"........doesn't this ALARM anyone?
Sunspot, if this was the tone of your posts, no wonder they were deleted, because you're well off the mark.
Tell me, were you a JW or not? If you were, did you go door to door or not? If you did, were you just trying to find new kids to sexually molest? Or were you really convinced that you had "the truth" and you were saving people's lives? Personally, I was in the last category, and I think 99% of the dubs are.
When people in this board generalize and call JW hypocrites, with no distinctions, I wonder if that doesn't tell more about themselves than about the dubs they are critizising.
if you ask a jw why does god allow suffering, more than likely you'll get the response that god has allowed satan and mankind to follow their own course to prove that only god has the right to govern over man.
for a long time i accepted that answer as being correct and i never even took the time to really think about what that meant.
now however when i reason on that logic i realize that it does'nt make sense.
Of course as it is written in the bible Job remained faithful
That's not entirely true. That's only the simplistic way fundamentalists (including JW) interpret the book of Job but it isn't that simple. Job and Ecclesiastes are probably the most subtle books in the OT, and have been called "the agnostic books" for a reason. It's true that Job doesn't curse God as his wife wanted, but he insists in his inocence and the unfairness of his situation. In other words, he questions God's justice. That is the core of the book of Job, God's justice, not Job's faith. Note that in the final chapter God does not tell Job why all those bad things happened to him. What God tells him, simply put, is: "don't question my ways; there's a reason for everything, but you wouldn't understand it".
this will be my last new thread for a while.
i am not leaving, but plan to confine my comments to the threads started by others.
i will finish my jfr-trial series elsewhere, and maybe at some time in the future i will post the balance here.. a plan: over the weekend, i watched the threads bouncing up and down on the active screen, and saw some very good ideas.
Amazing said (if I'm not hallucinating):
I will leave it to you to contact an attorney in your jurisdiction to determine if your posted words constitute a chargeable offense.
I offer a more realistic alternative: seek political asylum at the Swiss Embassy. I can give you shelter in my apartment for one or two months.
~ Josef Joachim
PS: The invitation above is extended only to good-looking, single men under 35.
why do people feel the need to tell everyone that they're not going to be posting here anymore?
you wanna stop posting here, fine, stop posting.
i just always see people saying "i'm leaving" (how can you leave a discussion board?
Why do people feel the need to tell everyone that they're not going to be posting here anymore?
I've been wondering about that, too. I guess they feel they are part of a community or something. Some of them have even made friends here. Honestly, I think these are people with some emotional issues, but I understand them and respect them. I don't think they're only trying to draw attention to themselves.
